<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[the Empathy List: A Creative Journey Podcast]]></title><description><![CDATA[From idea to craft to revision to release, each creative process follows a similar path into the world. Take an artistic journey with creative collaborators and life partners, Liz Charlotte Grant (essayist) and Jeremy Grant (visual artist), as they describe the pains and triumphs of creating their debut book, Knock at the Sky: Seeking God in Genesis After Losing Faith in the Bible. In a series of 4 candid conversations, Liz and Jeremy discuss the stages of making—from idea, craft, and revision to release. ]]></description><link>https://www.thempathylist.com/s/a-creative-journey-podcast</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i4vI!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F03bd0ad1-7166-4e45-96b6-2849699d192a_1280x1280.png</url><title>the Empathy List: A Creative Journey Podcast</title><link>https://www.thempathylist.com/s/a-creative-journey-podcast</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Mon, 25 May 2026 23:09:09 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://www.thempathylist.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Liz Charlotte Grant]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[lizcharlotte@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[lizcharlotte@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Liz Charlotte Grant]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Liz Charlotte Grant]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[lizcharlotte@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[lizcharlotte@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Liz Charlotte Grant]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[the Empathy List #147: Set it Free]]></title><description><![CDATA[Release the art that's become dear to you so that it can become dear to someone else.]]></description><link>https://www.thempathylist.com/p/the-empathy-list-147-set-it-free-release-episode-4-knock-at-the-sky-a-creative-journey</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.thempathylist.com/p/the-empathy-list-147-set-it-free-release-episode-4-knock-at-the-sky-a-creative-journey</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Charlotte Grant]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2025 12:00:57 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/818ae783-63fe-40bb-8d70-d061af67ac6d_1650x2550.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>Hello friend, Liz here.</h3><p><strong>Today we&#8217;re talking about the end of the artistic process. </strong>That is, after nurturing our inner muse, sitting down to complete the hard work of creating, and revising the original to shreds, we must then release our artwork into the wide world. And that may be the hardest part.</p><p><strong>The 4th episode of </strong><em><strong>Knock at the Sky: A Creative Journey</strong></em><strong> is live</strong>, and you can listen in your podcast app of choice. </p><p><strong>So far, in this series, we have talked about idea, craft, and revision, and today we're talking about release. </strong></p><p>When the final draft enters the big wide world, how do you accept that your job as the artist is finished, and how do you receive the reception of a wider audience? How do you interact with that audience, and what happens when viewers and readers make the art their own, reading meanings into the work that you never put there? And what does the Bible have to do with any of this? (A lot, apparently.)</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.thempathylist.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><strong>We also discuss the fine art collages that precede Chapters 10 and 11 in &#8230;</strong></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[the Empathy List #145: Cut, Paste, and Kill Your Darlings]]></title><description><![CDATA[Revision is the real-est creative work.]]></description><link>https://www.thempathylist.com/p/knock-at-the-sky-a-creative-journey-podcast-episode-3-revision</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.thempathylist.com/p/knock-at-the-sky-a-creative-journey-podcast-episode-3-revision</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Charlotte Grant]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2025 12:03:54 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VMvK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1720f41b-575d-49f9-8926-cc43a92f9e7b_1650x2550.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>Hello friend, Liz here.</h3><p><strong>Today we&#8217;re talking about the hard work of creative revision. </strong></p><p><strong>The 3rd episode of </strong><em><strong>Knock at the Sky: A Creative Journey</strong></em><strong> is live</strong>, and you can listen in your podcast app of choice. </p><p>Jeremy and I are talking about molding the final form of your artistic project: cut, paste, curate, and <em>kill your darlings</em>. As Queen Annie says, &#8220;The path is not the work.&#8221; (<em>The Writing Life, </em>Dillard)</p><p>To create <em>art</em>, and not just catharsis, you must curate. And the creative process provides many opportunities to do this individually&#8212;the self-edit&#8212;and in collaboration&#8212;with editors, curators, creative collaborators, and peer colleagues. But how do you decide whose voice to trust and whose to discard? Whose voice matters most? And how do you discover the true heart of the work? And how do you stay sane when your WIFE becomes the curator of your work? (We&#8217;ll tell you how <em>that </em>went.)</p><p>We&#8217;re also finally talking one of Liz&#8217;s favorite topics: audience! How do you keep the readers and viewers of your&#8230;</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[the Empathy List #144: The Part Where You Sit Your Butt in the Chair]]></title><description><![CDATA[Why does *doing* the creative work have to be so hard?]]></description><link>https://www.thempathylist.com/p/knock-at-the-sky-creative-journey-podcast-episode-2-craft</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.thempathylist.com/p/knock-at-the-sky-creative-journey-podcast-episode-2-craft</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Charlotte Grant]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2025 12:02:42 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0aae1654-f9e5-44c0-9cc8-d73df4bc4919_1650x2550.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>Hello friend, Liz here.</h3><p><strong>Today we&#8217;re talking about the hard work of sitting your butt in the chair and getting your creative work </strong><em><strong>done</strong></em><strong>. </strong></p><p><strong>The 2nd episode of </strong><em><strong>Knock at the Sky: A Creative Journey</strong></em><strong> is live</strong>, and you can listen in your podcast app of choice. </p><p>Jeremy and I are talking about developing your craft&#8230;. by so much practice. And we discuss  what it <em>really</em> means for each of us to really sit in the chair and put down a first draft and/or a first pass at a collage. Because making art requires sweat!</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.thempathylist.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption"></p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>We also talk about how our artistic collaboration as a couple worked as we labored over the book, <em>Knock at the Sky</em>. (Spoiler: it did not always go smoothly, but required a lot of communication and boundaries to make things work.) </p><p>And we talk about why the practice of art-making is worth it... even if you have less than 1,000 instagram followers and even when you write the shittiest of shitty first drafts. (Like Liz.)</p><div class="image-gallery-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;gallery&quot;:{&quot;images&quot;:[{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0aae1654-f9e5-44c0-9cc8-d73df4bc4919_1650x2550.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/96980ffd-ee51-4dc2-9184-ae27cb758fe4_1650x2550.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/af067272-8ab2-49d1-8432-79597ac7eaa4_1650x2550.jpeg&quot;}],&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Collage by Jeremy Grant, from Left to Right: &#8220;Chapter 4: Doomsday,&#8221; &#8220;Chapter 5: Tongue in Knots,&#8221; &#8220;Chapter 6: White Noise&#8221;. All artwork commissioned from Jeremy Grant for the book, Knock at the Sky: Seeking God in Genesis After Losing Faith in the Bible (Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2025). All rights reserved.&quot;,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;staticGalleryImage&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7179b7b3-52fb-4507-8f54-2fb93fee83ad_1456x474.png&quot;}},&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true}"></div><p><strong>We also discuss the fine art collages that precede Chapters 4, 5, and 6 in the b&#8230;</strong></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[the Empathy List #143: Where Do You Get Your Ideas?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Let's talk about beginnings. (Episode 1 of the podcast series, Knock at the Sky: A Creative Journey, is now live!)]]></description><link>https://www.thempathylist.com/p/knock-at-the-sky-podcast-a-creative-journey-episode-1-idea</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.thempathylist.com/p/knock-at-the-sky-podcast-a-creative-journey-episode-1-idea</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Charlotte Grant]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2025 13:03:31 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb6ab5f74-76f9-42c5-892a-330bc863f154_1650x2550.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello friend, Liz here. </p><p><strong>Today, the first episode of </strong><em><strong>Knock at the Sky: A Creative Journey</strong></em><strong> is live, and you can listen in your podcast app of choice. </strong></p><p><strong>Jeremy and I are talking all about ideas and beginnings.</strong></p><p>Where do artistic ideas come from? How do you begin a project? How do you decide when you have a <em>good </em>idea, good enough to spend more time on? And then, after you&#8217;ve settled on an idea, how do you find the form the work will take? In other words, how do you start making? </p><p>We also discuss a preoccupation of ours: the question of &#8220;voice&#8221; and &#8220;style&#8221;. How do you develop the writing voice and/or artistic style that makes a work unique to you amid this crowded landscape of makers?</p><p>We get specific about how the book project, <em>Knock at the Sky,</em> came into being, including the early discussions between Jeremy and I about collaboration. </p><div class="image-gallery-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;gallery&quot;:{&quot;images&quot;:[{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b6ab5f74-76f9-42c5-892a-330bc863f154_1650x2550.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3b9c484c-0e2f-48a2-9da7-f307fd7293d4_1650x2550.jpeg&quot;},{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0dc89ca5-87d6-4c32-8975-7dbfebc80161_1650x2550.jpeg&quot;}],&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Collage by Jeremy Grant, from Left to Right: &#8220;Chapter 1: First Contact,&#8221; &#8220;Chapter 2: Plural,&#8221; &#8220;Chapter 3: The Loaded Gun.&#8221; All artwork commissioned from Jeremy Grant for the book, Knock at the Sky: Seeking God in Genesis After Losing Faith in the Bible (Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2025). All rights reserved.&quot;,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Collage by Jeremy Grant (https://jeremygrant.art/) for the book Knock at the Sky: Seeking God in Genesis After Losing Faith in the Bible (Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2025). All rights reserved.&quot;,&quot;staticGalleryImage&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5deed7ec-120e-4698-b83b-602b4ab2337a_1456x474.png&quot;}},&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true}"></div><p>We&#8217;re also discussing the fine art collages that precede chapters 1, 2, and 3&#8212;<strong>first, I tell you what I see and guess at the meaning behind the paper, and then, Jer&#8230;</strong></p>
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